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A: Yes. Wikipedia reflects the consensus of reliable independent sources. Mainstream scientific sources are preferred when addressing topics related to science and technology. There is overwhelming consensus that the chemtrail conspiracy theory is a false and implausible narrative.

Q: Doesn't this video about cloud seeding / Operation LAC / geoengineering refute the claim that this is a conspiracy theory?

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https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-007937_EN.html 49.190.106.209 (talk) 04:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think that link should be used for in this WP-article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not OP but it's pretty obvious what they want. Emdosis (talk) 02:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They want "The Commission has investigated the matter with the Spanish authorities and found no evidence of the allegations of a military geoengineering scheme for changing climate in Spain." to be mentioned in the article? Seems off-topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That gives me "We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing." vibes, but ok. Emdosis (talk) 13:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? It is a question to the European Parliament about some claim about Spanish meteorologists, based on one dead link and one link with a lot of text that does not seem to say anything on the subject of those meteorologists. It is just the question, without any answer. I do not see what text we could add to the article that could be ased on it. --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hob Gadling It's discreet, but there is an "answer in writing" link on the right. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! Thank you. Then it is a nothingburger instead of nothing. --Hob Gadling (talk) 10:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CanonNi (talk) 04:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The word contrails is used in place of chemtrails when comparing the two. Delete the second contrails with chemtrails 2600:1702:4CA4:56B0:B445:A4B0:A793:B2F4 (talk) 13:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean as in the sentence "Believers in this conspiracy theory say that while normal contrails dissipate relatively quickly, contrails that linger must contain additional substances."?

If so, I think you're wrong. If you meant something else, please clarify. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:28, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Erroneous information

There are now legislative hearings concerning funding for cloud seeding and numerous articles that point to its use, both as a weapon and for weather manipulation. This article blatantly spreads misinformation and should be deleted or otherwise edited to reflect updated information based what has come to light.

Below are links to resources, including government website resources that clearly contradict the misinformation of this article.

https://www.dri.edu/cloud-seeding-program/ https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/83rd2025/Bill/11743/Overview https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-25-107328 https://www.nytimes.com/1972/07/03/archives/rainmaking-is-used-as-weapon-by-us-cloudseeding-in-indochina-is.html https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v28/d274 2600:6C4E:177F:5F38:7939:E02E:551B:6D9E (talk) 17:07, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP has articles on cloud seeding, Operation Popeye, weather manipulation, Climate engineering, Biological warfare, Chemical warfare and about 7 000 000 million other things. What do these sources you linked say about chemtrails, which is the topic of this article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:22, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“Those who subscribe to the theory speculate that the purpose of the chemical release may be solar radiation management, weather modification, psychological manipulation, human population control, biological or chemical warfare, or testing of biological or chemical agents on a population, and that the trails are causing respiratory illnesses and other health problems.”

This article gives the impression that none of the above is done whether you call it chemtrailing or cloud seeding. It would seem to be a matter of semantics. I suggest it would be more accurate to indicate that what is called chemtrails are cloud seeding; and it is not a theory but a fact that chemical additives are sprayed with past and present intentions of warfare and weather manipulation and the health impact of at least some of these chemicals on a consistent broad scale is stated to be generally unknown. This is the use of other intentional technologies rather than simply the emissions from planes being left. I imagine that WP has articles on this as well. 2600:6C4E:177F:5F38:4914:945A:E2C0:F032 (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For cloud seedings see, err, Cloud seeding. This is an article about a conspiracy theory. Bon courage (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest it would be more accurate to indicate that what is called chemtrails are cloud seeding

I'm afraid that is completely inaccurate. Cloud seeding is one thing, the "chemtrails" conspiracy theory is that the government is spraying mind-controlling chemicals into the sky & claiming they're harmless jet contrails. It's a nonsensical conspiracy theory, but a notable one, and unrelated to the actual scientific practice of cloud seeding. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 16:36, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I quoted the article WP article, copied and pasted. It states more than what you have just shared. Cloud seeding is spraying chemicals in the sky, for at least one disclosed reason, weather modification. The article calls this a conspiracy theory.

“The claim has been dismissed by the scientific community. There is no evidence that purported chemtrails differ from normal water-based contrails routinely left by high-flying aircraft under certain atmospheric conditions.”

But it is stated that there is cloud seeding with chemicals. Why is this claim dismissed? Because of nomenclature?

“Proponents have tried to prove that chemical spraying occurs, but their analyses have been flawed or based on misconceptions.”

Because they are called something different does not dismiss that it is happening.

”Because of the conspiracy theory's persistence and questions about government involvement, scientists and government agencies around the world have repeatedly explained that the supposed chemtrails are in fact normal contrails.”

The government and research organizations cloud seed for the purposes stated in this article that are being called conspiracy theories.

“The term 'chemtrail' is a portmanteau of the words 'chemical' and 'trail', just as 'contrail' blends 'condensation' and 'trail'.”

So is it inaccurate to call chemicals being sprayed in the air for weather modification a conspiracy theory? 2600:6C4E:177F:5F38:D19E:CA75:6671:DDEC (talk) 19:35, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the conspiracy theory. Stuff that is about something else goes somewhere else on Wikipedia. Not sure how this is hard? Bon courage (talk) 19:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But what this article states is a conspiracy theory is not. Do you find that difficult? 2600:6C4E:177F:5F38:2CFF:5519:74B0:98 (talk) 20:15, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's just parrotting the conspiracy theory. Wikipedia isn't going to indulge such fuckwittery. Bon courage (talk) 20:18, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"long-lasting condensation trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are actually "chemtrails" consisting of chemical or biological agents, sprayed for nefarious purposes undisclosed to the general public."

Conspiracy theory.

cloud seeding, Operation Popeye, weather manipulation, Climate engineering, Biological warfare, Chemical warfare

Not conspiracy theory. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done None of the citations mention chemtrails. 2600:6C4E:177F:5F38:7939:E02E:551B:6D9E is conflating the unproven allegation that long-lasting condensation trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are actually "chemtrails" with other technologies. Peaceray (talk) 17:49, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]